Athletics & Braves
Submitted by: johnbitzer
Athletics
| Name | Age | Level | P1 | P2 | Availability | Years | AFV | Salary | Surplus | Low | Median | High |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ryan Cusick | Minors | RHP | 5.4 | 4.3 | 5.4 | 6.5 | ||||||
| Joey Estes | Minors | RHP | 2.6 | 2.1 | 2.6 | 3.1 | ||||||
| Shea Langeliers | Minors | C | 27.8 | 22.2 | 27.8 | 33.4 | ||||||
| Cristian Pache | 22 | Majors | OF | Medium | 6 | 8.1 | 0.6 | 7.5 | 6 | 7.5 | 9 |
Total Value:
43.3
Braves
| Name | Age | Level | P1 | P2 | Availability | Years | AFV | Salary | Surplus | Low | Median | High |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Matt Olson | 27 | Majors | 1B | High | 2 | 71.2 | 30 | 41.2 | 37.1 | 45.3 | 53.6 |
Total Value:
45.3
Comments
43Bye bye Freddie
Real deal. Comes up fair in the simulator.
Trade the entire farm for two years of a first basemen instead of re-signing your 12 year player that endured your rebuild. Braves poverty franchise.
It is pretty sad. They even have the money to resign him.
they most definitely did not trade the "entire farm"
I could see Pache and/or Langeliers being flipped, although Pache in CF until Laureano returns isn’t bad
Murphy gotta be on the move... Hate knowing the rich get richer with Freeman likely going to Dodgers..
Freeman not going to LA #RaysUP
It does, but we might not see the reaction until 2023.
It's a nice fit for Olson personally, so I'm happy for him. From the A's perspective, it would have been nice to get Harris, but there's a lot of upside in this package. Good mix of floor and ceiling.
Agreed. I expected Harris and an overpay.
Lot of teams looking for CF help, Pache & Laaureano could bring back a nice return
This doesn’t account for losing the best first baseman in baseball. Gave up prospects number 1,2,6,14 all to avoid paying Fred a 6th year. Langaliers was the one guy I thought was untouchable. As a Braves fan I’m absolutely disgusted at this trade. No way to convince me it’s a good deal for us.
Matt Olson is better today than Freddie Freeman is across all accounts. It's tough to argue otherwise.
Lots of reasons not to pay a 1st baseman til he's 40. Ask the Angels, Orioles, and Tigers.
Hey John - can you expand on why Pache is only worth 7.5? He's a top-40 prospect with immense upside; he could already be the best defensive CF in the game and is still 22. What's the logic there?
He's not a Top 40 prospect based on the evaluators we trust the most. He hasn't hit at all, and his stock has dropped dramatically as a result. He was badly overmatched at the MLB level last year, and even when Atlanta was struggling after losing Acuna and Ozuna, they did not call him up -- instead playing replacement-level guys and trading for four others. All of that showed that the FO had lost confidence in his ability to hit. Further, he has only one option left, so if he doesn't hit this year, he'll probably be given one last chance next year, after which, if he still can't hit, he'll be a journeyman like so many other glove-first OFs who couldn't hit (Juan Lagares, Albert Almora, Jake Marisnick, etc.).
Seriously?!? Best defensive CF??? You might be surprised by his OAA, DRS and UZR defensive grades then. And his bat is real bad. He hasn’t even hit in AAA. I’m surprised he has the value he does.
Agree. A lot more Kevin Pillar than Kevin Kiermaier. Pache's true talent level looks to be a well below average hitter, and slightly better than average fielder. The NL would need to adopt a 2nd DH for Pache to have a starting gig anytime soon.
Finally, a reasonable fair deal was done. The Sony Gray deal had me believing that the MLB GMs were having a crack trading party. The godless Yankees didn't get Olson at least. Cashman will have to give Freeman a stupid expensive long-term deal.
Thumbs up for "godless Yankees".
The Yankees wouldn't trade Volpe for two years of Olson. Would they trade him for four years of Murphy?
Beane needs to tell Cashman to not even call about Murphy unless Volpe is on the table.
100%. I can see not giving up a Top 15-20 overall prospect for Olson based on his trade value, but if Murphy or Laureano come into play, you're ponying up.
I don't know. Every Yankee fan on twitter thinks Torres is enough for pretty much the entire Oakland roster.
Another pretty close match in value. Well done! I could see that being even a little better for the A's too. Pache's value could rebound if he shows anything in the majors this year, and Cusick could easily move up if he has a good first full season.
I wonder if the Yankees pivot to try to get Sean Murphy or Laureano. Murphy probably available with Langeliers being 24 years old and starting the year in AAA.
Think they'll put Volpe on the table for Murphy?
Volpe is definitely available for Murphy or Laureano. Good SS are available in FA every year. Good C and CF are rarely available, even by trade. Cashman has been to 1 series in 20 years. You can't be the richest franchise in American sports and be waiting for the 20 year old in A ball to develop, while you finish in 4th place in the AL East with a $230M payroll. They should blow past the threshold, as a $10M penalty on a $270M payroll is pocket change to a 8 billion dollar franchise.They should sign Story (or Correa), trade Volpe for Murphy or Laureano, and try to turn the still young Torres into an upgrade elsewhere. With no shift, 2nd base defense suddenly got really important again. If Torres can't play SS because he boots too many balls, he can't play 2nd either. I'm not impressed with the current Yankees. Judge, Stanton, Voit, and Donaldson will all see the IL, maybe multiple times. That lineup stinks with 2 of them out of it. Their rotation is a Cy Young contender and a bunch of #4's. Montgomery impressed, but lets see if it carries over. Severino hasn't pitched in 3 years, and when he has, he's down 3 MPH from his peak. Volpe is available.
Volpe should be available but I don't think he is. Cashman has shown over the years that a few prospects reach an untouchable status and he doesn't back off that. He wasn't willing to deal Frazier to get Cole from the Pirates, he won't let go of one of the most hyped Yankee prospects in recent years. It's a little frustrating as a Yankees fan because they have a million SS prospects in their system. It appears the plan is to let IKF hold down SS until Peraza is ready and then Peraza moves when Volpe is ready. If you honestly think a team with an aging roster and championship aspirations should wait on a single A prospect and a platoon a catcher, you're sadly mistaken. I guess we know which owner was pitching the 14 team playoff structure because that's the only way they're getting in considering the competition in the AL East.
Agree wholeheartedly. Compared to other AL East opponents, excluding Baltimore, the Yankees have the: worst right side of the infield worst left side of the infield most often injured CF most often injured DH worst C situation worst 2-5 SP most Arb eligible players most money by far!!!!!!!!!!!! You're right, they are the team pushing for more playoff spots.
Nice job, pretty much nailed it. I wonder if the acquisition of Pache and Langeliers impacts the future of Laureano and Murphy.
Thanks. And yes, I'm wondering the same.
Good deal from Oakland's POV. Braves get what they need as Freeman is (apparently) gone, but it comes at a cost for the future. As others have mentioned above, Oakland can (and should) move Laureano and Murphy to help accelerate the rebuild timeline, as they now have suitable replacements coming in from this deal.
Fair trade in the simulator. Great jpb, Mr. Bitzer. Your simulator works very well.
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Langeliers being part of this trade is odd unless perhaps Oakland is dealing Murphy.
Either that or the plan is to move Tyler Soderstrom to 1st
They just took the best prospect they could get regardless of position. They won’t find trading Langeliers for a better fit all that difficult
Should be a good lesson for A's fans - the system is devoid of quantity and quality. They should be open to accepting the best prospect they can, regardless of position or level.
good valuation John.
Thanks