Cardinals & Rangers
Submitted by: johnbitzer
Cardinals
| Name | Age | Level | P1 | P2 | Availability | Years | AFV | Salary | Surplus | Low | Median | High |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| John King | 28 | Majors | RP | Medium | 4.4 | 2.7 | 2.6 | 0.1 | 0.1 | 0.1 | 0.2 | |
| Tekoah Roby | 21 | Minors | SP | 4.7 | 3.7 | 4.7 | 5.6 | |||||
| Thomas Saggese | 21 | Minors | 2B | 2.4 | 1.9 | 2.4 | 2.9 |
Total Value:
7.2
Rangers
| Name | Age | Level | P1 | P2 | Availability | Years | AFV | Salary | Surplus | Low | Median | High |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jordan Montgomery | 30 | Majors | SP | Medium | 0.4 | 11 | 3.6 | 7.4 | 5.9 | 7.4 | 8.8 | |
| Chris Stratton | 32 | Majors | RP | High | 0.4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0.8 | 1 | 1.2 |
Total Value:
8.4
Comments
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I think Roby is under valued by the site he might be a better pitching prospect then Nastrini
Fire Mozeliak straight into the fucking sun, holy cow is he an incompetent clown. Might as well hold onto monty and make a QO
A subpar return if I’ve ever seen one (and in a seller’s market no less). Wow.
I like the approach and what the Rangers are doing
The White Sox fleeced everybody, and everyone fleeced the Cardinals.
Texas says they're also receiving International slot money from the Cardinals.
Yeah, saw that. We don't have a number, though, and even so, it's not the money itself, but the pool space -- the right to spend their own money a bit more. So it's hard to quantify, and probably not significant.
Seems like a poor return for St. Louis in a market that is paying high prices for pitching. They better hope one of the guys breaks out big or this will look like a squandered opportunity.
I’m a little disappointed in the return for STL, but only because of how crazy the market’s been for sellers this year. I do think BTV is underrating Roby and Saggese, though. Roby was a top 100 prospect on Fangraphs heading into this year
Regardless, Rangers robbed the Cards blind. Good look hoping Mr.5 ERA ever becomes anything more than a AAA flameout lmaooo
John Mo deal at it finest take something worth more and getting less in return . SMH I hope these prospects work out . John needs to stick to baseball operations and let his GM make the deals. I don’t know why we have a GM cause John Mo makes all the final decisions on personnel.
Roby is a really nice get. He's gotten a lot of helium and I think his prospect status isn't necessarily reflected in his value here.
Real trade.
NEWSLETTER? SURE, SIGN ME UP!
Maybe, but that hasn't been reflected in any of the latest updates from the prospect evaluators.
I think FG 50fv'd Roby and he is in the top 100
He has not been very impressive at all in the minors. 4.64 ERA in high A across 22 starts in 2022, and a 5.05 ERA across 10 starts this year in AA. Not seeing the upside here, if anything he's valued too highly because I feel like Saggs is much better.
Don’t use ERA to evaluate pitching prospects. He has a strong FIP this year and he’s got good stuff. Fangraphs had him in the top 100 prospects going into this year
dont use ERA? lmao that's some premium cope right there, there's a reason ERA is the stat referenced most with pitchers, it's what you actually gave up
We don't use ERA in our model, and based on our conversations with front offices, they don't use it (or at least not much) either. It was created over 100 years ago when there wasn't much else being tracked, and therefore it became institutionalized, and baseball is slow to change. But analysts all know it's outdated, noisy, and has little predictive value. The concept makes sense, in that a pitcher's job is run prevention, but despite its name, ERA doesn't do a good job of measuring that. Most of the old pitching stats (win/loss, saves, holds) are in the same boat. They've all been replaced by better versions.
ERA is good for measuring past performance. Outcome is what matters most, right? But FIP and other ERA estimators are better for measuring a pitcher's actual talent, and thus, future performance.