Cleveland for sure is going to say no... They likely won't part with Bieber for less than 15 value... They would rather keep him otherwise... Now, that being stated, the Style of the return makes sense though...

In my view, the problem with this deal is attaching Taylor to it. River Ryan is beginning to look like a stud and getting him back in a Bieber deal would be fine with me. Having said that, I'd prefer to include Freeman in the deal and get Knack and Ryan or a bigger deal where Bieber with some cash, Kwan and Freeman go to the Dodgers for Sheehan, one of Ryan/Knack, Cartaya and DeLuca. If Cleveland needs to include a good, lower level SP prospect I'd be ok with it.

Note: If and until Shane "Not Justin" Bieber's current value is reflected in deals where equal or virtually equal returns are made... it's a negative vote. To claim the value is fairly stated is untrue.. This is not an easily "dismissed" comment.. and it shouldn't be.. -Witness: two pitchers.. Pitcher A: 28 years old Pitcher B: 30 years old Pitcher A: 21 ML starts in 2023 Pitcher B: 21 ML starts in 2023 Pitcher A: $ 12.5 MM Arb III Salary (projected) Pitcher B: $ 25.0 MM Arb III Salary (projected) Pitcher A: 3.78 ERA in 2023 Pitcher B: 3.53 ERA in 2023 Pitcher A: 3.25 career ERA Pitcher B: 3.89 career ERA Pitcher A: 940 / 190 K/BB Pitcher B: 680 / 210 K/BB Pitcher A: 80 starts in the last 4 years (includes the Covid year) Pitcher B: 48 starts in the last 4 years (includes the Covid year) Both FA's after the 2024 season. Pitcher A: BTV (- 1.0 MM) Pitcher B: BTV (29.0 MM) An explanation was offered to a previous poster who raised the concern that pitcher A is worth less than zero: The excuse was "due to health". <=== BS..