Rays & Reds
Submitted by: ShaquilleOatmeal
Rays
| Name | Age | Level | P1 | P2 | Availability | Years | AFV | Salary | Surplus | Low | Median | High |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Lyon Richardson | 23 | Majors | SP | 6 | 10.7 | 3.9 | 6.8 | 5.4 | 6.8 | 8.2 | ||
| Nick Lodolo | 26 | Majors | SP | Medium | 4 | 30.3 | 13.8 | 16.5 | 13.2 | 16.5 | 19.8 | |
| Cade Hunter | 22 | Minors | C | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | 2 | 2.5 | 3 |
Total Value:
25.8
Reds
| Name | Age | Level | P1 | P2 | Availability | Years | AFV | Salary | Surplus | Low | Median | High |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Tyler Glasnow | 30 | Majors | SP | Low | 1 | 38.1 | 25 | 13.1 | 10.5 | 13.1 | 15.8 | |
| Harold Ramirez | 29 | Majors | OF | Medium | 2 | 15.5 | 11 | 4.5 | 3.6 | 4.5 | 5.4 |
Total Value:
17.6
Comments
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Would you rather owe 34 year old Sonny Gray $75M for 3 years, or 30 year old Glasnow $25M for 1 year? The Reds clearly weren't comfortable owing Gray through his age 37 season. Glas is pretty undervalued here in my opinion. Even if he's not, the Rays aren't going to accept a "fair" offer to severely handicap their 2024 season. Lodolo certainly fulfills that the Rays will want MLB pitching in return for Glasnow. But Lodolo isn't enough pitching, so the Rays get Richardson too. The Reds have so much excessive young pitching, Richardson is the their grease to get the Rays to engage the trade wheel and trade their ace, even after losing McClanahan, Springs, and Rasmussen. They aren't in the position to be choosers, because Glasnow is the only #1 left after Nola and Gray signed, unless they want to pay Shohei. This is David Price for Drew Smyly, Nick Franklin, and Willy Adames.
I just think they could get a better return for Glasnow somewhere else, I wasn't a fan of the Price deal and thought they should have gotten better talent back, I'm worried TB will pull their smartest kid in the room gimmick out again and get a package that falls flat instead of just taking the best 2-3 prospects offered IMO.
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With Glasgow's injury history the Rays are not in a position of strength. In 8 seasons he pitched a career high 120 innings last year. Several days ago you expressed conern about Lodolo's injury last season, even proclaiming, incorrectly, that it was a repeat injury. LOL, now you overvalue Glasgow and undervalue Lodolo, a pitcher you have built multiple trade scenarios around. If you want Lodolo so much, put some more value on the table. Include Josh Lowe in a deal.
Glasnow does have higher trade value than listed cause when healthy he is an ace and impact pitcher, once he's traded and they do the math on here I'm sure that will show that, that's why so many teams are checking in on him, I don't see a good match between the 2 teams cause they are both very similar right now, each team has the same strength and weaknesses.
No, he is in fact over valued. He is owed 25 mil. Rays area cheap (also), and will trade him
"...does have higher trade value than listed cause when healthy he is an ace and impact pitcher..." The same can be said of Lodolo.
No it can't. Lodolo had a 7 FIP last year and a 6 ERA. If Glasnow is on the field, he's an ace.
https://www.si.com/fannation/mlb/fastball/injuries/cincinnati-reds-rule-pitcher-nick-lodolo-out-for-remainder-of-season-following-tibia-injury-setback He suffered 2 stress reactions to his left tibia. That's what a repeat injury is, when you reinjure something that was already injured. Glasnow is healthy. Lodolo, right now, has a chronic injury history, with an injury that won't seem to heal. Josh Lowe? For Brent Honeywell version 2? Fuck off with nonsense like that. The Rays will take a chance on a pitcher who hasn't done very much due to near constant injury, but they won't massively overpay for the opportunity to do so.
Not an arm or shoulder injury, not a problem. Nick is undervalued.
It was enough of a problem to cost him an entire season. That seems like a problem to me. And injury limited him to 100 innings the year before. And the year before that, he only threw 50 innings in the minors. Look at his innings pitched for his entire career. It's one thing after another. Back, knee, tibia, neck...it's a long list.
We are making too much sense to you, because you seem to be upset. Lodolo had a setback from the rehab of the original injury. Again, if Lodolo is such an injury prone pitcher, WHY DO YOU KEEP ON BUILDING TRADE PROPOSALS AROUND HIM. I capitalize this because it seems that your comprehension skills are limited. Go ahead and have the last word. I will no longer converse with someone that feels they must throw expletives at others that do no agree with them.
I build proposals around Lodolo because he could be a stud...he could also be Brendan McKay/Brent Honeywell and the thousands of other live arms that litter pitcher graveyards for the last 20 years since travel ball for 11 year olds became a thing. The Rays consistently target injury prone pitchers with high ceilings but serious risk. Drew Rasmussen and his 2 Tommy Johns for Willy Adames. Pete Fairbanks. Shane McClanahan who fell to them cause of TJ...it's who they are and what they do. They don't want the healthy #4, they want the injured 1st rounder that hasn't put it together yet. I think the Rays will target Lodolo, which is why I target Lodolo. His upside is huge. But as we saw last year, his downside is a 7 FIP SP that has thrown less than 200 innings the last 3 years combined across all levels. He's consistently hurt, and most recently, he was really really bad.