With the release of Jeter Downs, if Story is still slated for 2B, the Red Sox lack both an MLB SS and a AAA SS.
For Santos, best suited as a spot starter for his three remaining option years, the Red Sox get one season of Brandon Crawford with a million dollars tossed in to help cover his salary. The Giants probably win, but Chaim Bloom has to do something to plug the gap at SS.
Perhaps, natedub, but the last thing I’d want in my walk year as Crawford would be fighting for playing time at 3B because I’d been supplanted at my primary position. Your point about his being a Bay Area native is solid, but Fenway Park, with its long grass and small left field, is a place a LHH SS can look good. (Remember, Williams, Yaz, and Boggs were all LHH, hitting for average to RF and off the Green Monster for doubles.)
As an aside, BTV rates Crawford’s availability as “medium,” not “very low.” Perhaps they agree with me.
natedub123Nate Dub
on December 16, 2022 at 4:25 pm
Crawford has explicitly stated, on NUMEROUS OCCASIONS, that he won’t waive his no-trade clause. He’ll likely retire before leaving his hometown team (and the only professional organization he’s ever been employed by).
I really don’t care what John Bitzer thinks of Crawford’s “availability”… I’d prefer to go by what Crawford himself has said.
Long story short: he won’t be anything other than a San Francisco Giant in 2023.
“I really don’t care what John Bitzer thinks of Crawford’s ‘availability’…”
OK, but why attack my trade instead of criticizing the entire site, then?
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While I appreciated your raising the point once, I’ve pointed out my side: BTV lists Crawford as trade-eligible, and this trade allows him to earn $16 million in one season playing SS–the only position he’s ever played in MLB–in a great get-well environment.
Giants fans seem to consider this unthinkable, even though Santos fills an important role for three years and, possibly, continues to contribute beyond his three waiver years. It also frees $15 million in payroll room for the Giants. For Boston, the benefits of the balanced trade are obvious–as I type, it’s 7-2 in favor of the trade from a Red Sox perspective. Anything above even is pretty good here at BTV.
Last year, Villar had a .787 OPS and he played an MLB-average 3B. Crawford had a .652 OPS, and he’s never played 3B. I cannot believe that, if Bloom made this offer, the Giants wouldn’t present it to Crawford as a good deal and, by far, the best thing for both his beloved Giants and his career. For one season, I think that he’d take the deal.
Unless he’s played by Kevin Costner and he’s pitching a perfect game in Australian winter ball when he hears about the trade offer, in which case I’m sure that he’d retire instead “For Love of the Game.” 😉
natedub123Nate Dub
on December 16, 2022 at 8:55 pm
“I cannot believe that, if Bloom made this offer, the Giants wouldn’t present it to Crawford as a good deal and, by far, the best thing for both his beloved Giants and his career. For one season, I think that he’d take the deal.”
You’re arguing against points I haven’t made.
Of course it’d be beneficial for the Giants to move on from Brandon Crawford. But they won’t take this to him because they know his answer: he’s not leaving the Giants. Brandon Crawford has made it clear he won’t leave.
IF, and this is a MASSIVE if, Brandon Crawford were to waive that NTC, it would likely come at a concession to him and his family, most notably by Boston. That would likely require a fairly significant extension, which would be double to triple the remainder of his contract.
But I can’t stress how much Crawford has explicitly valued that NTC.
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“OK, but why attack my trade instead of criticizing the entire site, then?”
Why would I attack John for putting “medium” trade availability? The Giants would 100% trade Crawford if they had the chance.
But, as we’ve made it notably clear, they don’t have that chance. Perhaps John should factor in no-trade clauses, although that’s a fools errand, because many are limited and we don’t know who is on each list.
The bottom line is: I pointed out that Crawford has a full NTC and he won’t leave. That’s not my “opinion”, it’s me reporting what I’ve read and heard him say in interviews. It’s from sources close to the Giants as reported by other journalists.
Instead of taking this information and admitting you didn’t take 14 seconds to look into whether or not Crawford is really all that acquirable, you doubled down and couldn’t fathom that someone didn’t see the incredible intellect you thought you had on this trade.
It might be a decent idea in theory, but it has a zero percent chance of happening, for the reasons I’ve pointed out.
A good life lesson: when you don’t know what on earth you’re talking about, it’s best you listen to those that do.
“It might be a decent idea in theory, but it has a zero percent chance of happening, for the reasons I’ve pointed out.
A good life lesson: when you don’t know what on earth you’re talking about, it’s best you listen to those that do.”
And your feelings become facts, and your argument devolves into personal attack.
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“Instead of taking this information and admitting you didn’t take 14 seconds to look into whether or not Crawford is really all that acquirable…”
If we’re going to get picky, Crawford doesn’t even have an NTC. He has 10/5 rights, contrary to what you’ve been posting. Same effect…but different.
As somebody who knows so much, right down to unlinkable comments from anonymous sources as relayed by sports pundits supporting you, I’m surprised that you mixed up that detail.
And as an aside, I found online rumors that the Twins might be interested in Crawford, even though they’d need his permission.
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But back to your first comment, it’s a valid point. We just disagree on how big an obstacle it would be.
Here’s the link including details of all of Crawford’s contracts:
With the release of Jeter Downs, if Story is still slated for 2B, the Red Sox lack both an MLB SS and a AAA SS.
For Santos, best suited as a spot starter for his three remaining option years, the Red Sox get one season of Brandon Crawford with a million dollars tossed in to help cover his salary. The Giants probably win, but Chaim Bloom has to do something to plug the gap at SS.
I really wish the people on this site would consider things like no-trade clauses.
Crawford, who grew up near San Francisco as a Giants fan and has a full no-trade clause is NOT going to approve a trade out of San Francisco.
Perhaps, natedub, but the last thing I’d want in my walk year as Crawford would be fighting for playing time at 3B because I’d been supplanted at my primary position. Your point about his being a Bay Area native is solid, but Fenway Park, with its long grass and small left field, is a place a LHH SS can look good. (Remember, Williams, Yaz, and Boggs were all LHH, hitting for average to RF and off the Green Monster for doubles.)
As an aside, BTV rates Crawford’s availability as “medium,” not “very low.” Perhaps they agree with me.
Crawford has explicitly stated, on NUMEROUS OCCASIONS, that he won’t waive his no-trade clause. He’ll likely retire before leaving his hometown team (and the only professional organization he’s ever been employed by).
I really don’t care what John Bitzer thinks of Crawford’s “availability”… I’d prefer to go by what Crawford himself has said.
Long story short: he won’t be anything other than a San Francisco Giant in 2023.
“I really don’t care what John Bitzer thinks of Crawford’s ‘availability’…”
OK, but why attack my trade instead of criticizing the entire site, then?
***
While I appreciated your raising the point once, I’ve pointed out my side: BTV lists Crawford as trade-eligible, and this trade allows him to earn $16 million in one season playing SS–the only position he’s ever played in MLB–in a great get-well environment.
Giants fans seem to consider this unthinkable, even though Santos fills an important role for three years and, possibly, continues to contribute beyond his three waiver years. It also frees $15 million in payroll room for the Giants. For Boston, the benefits of the balanced trade are obvious–as I type, it’s 7-2 in favor of the trade from a Red Sox perspective. Anything above even is pretty good here at BTV.
Last year, Villar had a .787 OPS and he played an MLB-average 3B. Crawford had a .652 OPS, and he’s never played 3B. I cannot believe that, if Bloom made this offer, the Giants wouldn’t present it to Crawford as a good deal and, by far, the best thing for both his beloved Giants and his career. For one season, I think that he’d take the deal.
Unless he’s played by Kevin Costner and he’s pitching a perfect game in Australian winter ball when he hears about the trade offer, in which case I’m sure that he’d retire instead “For Love of the Game.” 😉
“I cannot believe that, if Bloom made this offer, the Giants wouldn’t present it to Crawford as a good deal and, by far, the best thing for both his beloved Giants and his career. For one season, I think that he’d take the deal.”
You’re arguing against points I haven’t made.
Of course it’d be beneficial for the Giants to move on from Brandon Crawford. But they won’t take this to him because they know his answer: he’s not leaving the Giants. Brandon Crawford has made it clear he won’t leave.
IF, and this is a MASSIVE if, Brandon Crawford were to waive that NTC, it would likely come at a concession to him and his family, most notably by Boston. That would likely require a fairly significant extension, which would be double to triple the remainder of his contract.
But I can’t stress how much Crawford has explicitly valued that NTC.
******
“OK, but why attack my trade instead of criticizing the entire site, then?”
Why would I attack John for putting “medium” trade availability? The Giants would 100% trade Crawford if they had the chance.
But, as we’ve made it notably clear, they don’t have that chance. Perhaps John should factor in no-trade clauses, although that’s a fools errand, because many are limited and we don’t know who is on each list.
The bottom line is: I pointed out that Crawford has a full NTC and he won’t leave. That’s not my “opinion”, it’s me reporting what I’ve read and heard him say in interviews. It’s from sources close to the Giants as reported by other journalists.
Instead of taking this information and admitting you didn’t take 14 seconds to look into whether or not Crawford is really all that acquirable, you doubled down and couldn’t fathom that someone didn’t see the incredible intellect you thought you had on this trade.
It might be a decent idea in theory, but it has a zero percent chance of happening, for the reasons I’ve pointed out.
A good life lesson: when you don’t know what on earth you’re talking about, it’s best you listen to those that do.
See ya.
“It might be a decent idea in theory, but it has a zero percent chance of happening, for the reasons I’ve pointed out.
A good life lesson: when you don’t know what on earth you’re talking about, it’s best you listen to those that do.”
And your feelings become facts, and your argument devolves into personal attack.
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“Instead of taking this information and admitting you didn’t take 14 seconds to look into whether or not Crawford is really all that acquirable…”
If we’re going to get picky, Crawford doesn’t even have an NTC. He has 10/5 rights, contrary to what you’ve been posting. Same effect…but different.
As somebody who knows so much, right down to unlinkable comments from anonymous sources as relayed by sports pundits supporting you, I’m surprised that you mixed up that detail.
And as an aside, I found online rumors that the Twins might be interested in Crawford, even though they’d need his permission.
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But back to your first comment, it’s a valid point. We just disagree on how big an obstacle it would be.
Here’s the link including details of all of Crawford’s contracts:
https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/nl-west/san-francisco-giants/