Blue Jays & Cubs




Blue Jays & Cubs

September 15, 2022

Blue Jays

Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Hoerner 25 Majors 2B Low 3 48.9 20.9 28 22.4 28 33.6
Suzuki 27 Majors OF Low 4 45.1 73 -27.9 -33.5 -27.9 -22.3
Thompson 27 Majors RHRP Medium 5 2.6 1.5 1.1 0.9 1.1 1.3
Wicks Minors LHP 6.3 5 6.3 7.6


Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Springer 32 Majors OF Very low 4 97.6 90 7.6 6.1 7.6 9.1
  1. Bennett Johnson

    Cubs give up arguably their best player and pitcher in 2023, their number one draft pick from a year ago and Suzuki whose OPS is nearly the same as Springer, who will be 33 next year and will be paid tens of millions more over the next four years, in this deal. Yet, the Blue Jays on paper are getting the short end of the stick.

    Can anyone justify making this trade from the Chicago point of view, because I can’t? If this trade were made in real life, there would be a riot at Wrigley Field. I have been assured repeatedly that BTV has no bias, but then I look at the new evaluations and see this. Consistently, Cub players are undervalued on this website, in my opinion, and I don’t know why. This trade is a perfect example of what I am talking about.

    • Kellen Haynes

      Bro I could say the same about the padres and just about any team. You have to not purposely exploit the system and take all features into account in order to keep it accurate. Springer has very low availabilty. So does hoerner and suzuki. You can exploit the yankees for their entire worth just with stanton and hicks. Don’t exploit the system. Cubs players arent undervalued, they honestly just aren’t good.

  2. Bennett Johnson


    “Cubs players arent undervalued, they honestly just aren’t good.” That’s total b.s. To say that Hoerner isn’t any good is ludicrous. Gold glove defense at both SS-2B. Lifetime .282 hitter. Keegan Thompson had a good year, which was put on hold by a back problem that does not look serious. Check out his stats. Suzuki compares more closely to Brandon Nimmo, who stands to get a big contract in the offseason, than to Aaron Hicks, a complete bust. Wicks was considered the top college lefty in last years draft. And Springer, an aging slugger on a bloated contract is worth more than the four of them combined?

    I’m not exploiting anything. I didn’t put these evaluations on the ballplayers. BTV did. I don’t expect the system to be perfect, but the numbers seem way off, imo. There is a certain amount of subjectivity involved in the process, which I accept. However, it never seems to work in the favor of the Cubbies for whatever reason. If this were a one-time occurrence I wouldn’t squawk about it, but it’s not. I can give numerous examples. You can accept the status quo if you want. Be a flag waver, I don’t care.

    I don’t think anyone at BTV is deliberately trying to sabotage their own product. But if I see a discrepancy, I’m gonna point it out, so someone can fix it.

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