Submitted by: BigBat
March 17, 2023
Guardians
| Name | Age | Level | P1 | P2 | Availablility | Years | AFV | Salary | Surplus | Low | Median | High |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| De La Rosa | Minors | OF | 6.5 | 5.2 | 6.5 | 7.8 | ||||||
| Meneses | 31 | Majors | OF | 1B | Medium | 6 | 4.6 | 2.2 | 2.4 | 1.9 | 2.4 | 2.9 |
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If Brennan isn’t going to supplant Straw then might as well use him to get a big RHH that can play the corner OF. Maybe then Kwan can supplant Straw. Either way somebody needs to supplant Straw.
I really like Meneses, but I also have a fondness for Brennan. I am still on the fence about Straw. I think he should get half a season or so to see if he was as bad as last year. I am not sold on Gonzalez and think ‘22 was a fluke. I can see Brennan eventually taking over in right, so very reluctant to move him. Meneses has real value and desperately want him, so would overpay for him as well, but I would prefer some other players headed to Washington. That being said I would only move Brennan in a package for Luzardo, or some pitching of that caliber.
Perfectly reasonable and understandable.
Nats say no, mainly because this is selling low on Meneses. If he is a .830 OPS bat at the deadline, he’s worth a lot more than whats being offered here.
Nats gamble, Joey mashes, Guardians trade one of Bisbee, Allen, or a package with one of their middle infielders
If it’s selling low on Meneses then it’s selling very low on Brennan as well. Most would consider a straight Brennan for Meneses a slight overpay for Cleveland. That’s the reason for the downvotes on Cleveland’s side.
Curry is a young SP that shot through Cleveland’s system and was exposed to MLB before he should have been due to injuries to Civale and Plesac. He’s perfect for a team like the Nationals who are in the middle of a rebuild who just so happened to lose Cavalli to injury this season.
Cleveland isn’t trading their minor league player of the year for a guy who is 30 with 200ish MLB at bats… Brennan’s ceiling is Michael Brantley with better defense. I don’t even know why BigBat would trade him since he’s the guy that will get all the bench ABs in the OF and possibly could replace Straw if Straw continues to struggle.
Brennan likely isn’t available at all in 23…
You can use that logic if you wish, but it doesn’t make you right. If Meneses was acquired with Brennan going to Washington then Kwan could move to CF should Straw continue to suck. Then you have the corners covered with Meneses, Gonzalez and J. Naylor while Valera readies himself in Columbus. You also have Pries looking good too.
You might not like it or understand it, but Meneses fits Cleveland’s need for a big RH bat perfectly. He also plays good defense at either corner OF and 1B. When/if Bell opts out then you’re covered.
You’re also getting a good CF prospect with a very high offensive ceiling, but I prefer the other trade with Washington where Palacios, Tena and Curry go to the Nationals.
Kwan isn’t a CF at the big league level at least as a starter. He can play CF and can be trusted out there, but he isn’t plus in CF… Brennan is a much better CF with more upside in a sense cause he can add more power on paper (Aka he will get to 15ish… Kwan will never be above 10).
I don’t see Cleveland putting that much into a guy with limited MLB experience and at that age. He’s likely to decline before his first contract is up…
Now if you can get me Menese without giving up one of the projected current 26, then I’d so be for it. Since we went and got Bell, I don’t think Meneses was ever a target within reason. For the money consensus Cleveland, if Menese was as good as you are saying they would have targeted him over Bell in a sense.
Kwan can play CF just fine.
Clearly you haven’t looked into Meneses history. He is not likely to regress and what you saw him do last year is nothing new. OGOn is much more likely to regress than Meneses. Boston placed a higher priority on Casas and Dalbec, but they have publicly stated how it is now a regret.
Your last paragraph makes no sense whatsoever and you have no idea who was targeted. Maybe the asked about Meneses and the Nationals refused to deal him. Not much is revealed to the public in matters such as these and you stating things as if they are fact makes you look silly. If you don’t like him that’s fine. I have no problem with opinions, but you’re wrong.