Cardinals & Rangers




Cardinals & Rangers

July 30, 2023


Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
King 28 Majors RP Medium 4.4 2.7 2.6 0.1 0.1 0.1 0.2
Roby 21 Minors SP 4.7 3.7 4.7 5.6
Saggese 21 Minors 2B 2.4 1.9 2.4 2.9


Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Montgomery 30 Majors SP Medium 0.4 11 3.6 7.4 5.9 7.4 8.8
Stratton 32 Majors RP High 0.4 2 1 1 0.8 1 1.2
  1. Sean Ricky-Bobby

    I think Roby is under valued by the site he might be a better pitching prospect then Nastrini

    • John Bitzer

      Maybe, but that hasn’t been reflected in any of the latest updates from the prospect evaluators.


      He has not been very impressive at all in the minors. 4.64 ERA in high A across 22 starts in 2022, and a 5.05 ERA across 10 starts this year in AA. Not seeing the upside here, if anything he’s valued too highly because I feel like Saggs is much better.

      • Gavin Gratza

        Don’t use ERA to evaluate pitching prospects. He has a strong FIP this year and he’s got good stuff. Fangraphs had him in the top 100 prospects going into this year

        • LOL HEHEXD

          dont use ERA? lmao that’s some premium cope right there, there’s a reason ERA is the stat referenced most with pitchers, it’s what you actually gave up

          • John Bitzer

            We don’t use ERA in our model, and based on our conversations with front offices, they don’t use it (or at least not much) either. It was created over 100 years ago when there wasn’t much else being tracked, and therefore it became institutionalized, and baseball is slow to change. But analysts all know it’s outdated, noisy, and has little predictive value. The concept makes sense, in that a pitcher’s job is run prevention, but despite its name, ERA doesn’t do a good job of measuring that. Most of the old pitching stats (win/loss, saves, holds) are in the same boat. They’ve all been replaced by better versions.

          • Ian Davis

            ERA is good for measuring past performance. Outcome is what matters most, right? But FIP and other ERA estimators are better for measuring a pitcher’s actual talent, and thus, future performance.

  2. josh billington

    Fire Mozeliak straight into the fucking sun, holy cow is he an incompetent clown. Might as well hold onto monty and make a QO

  3. Spencer Wiles

    A subpar return if I’ve ever seen one (and in a seller’s market no less). Wow.

  4. Erik Jager

    The White Sox fleeced everybody, and everyone fleeced the Cardinals.

    • John Bitzer

      Yeah, saw that. We don’t have a number, though, and even so, it’s not the money itself, but the pool space — the right to spend their own money a bit more. So it’s hard to quantify, and probably not significant.

  5. Brian Vorce

    Seems like a poor return for St. Louis in a market that is paying high prices for pitching. They better hope one of the guys breaks out big or this will look like a squandered opportunity.

  6. Gavin Gratza

    I’m a little disappointed in the return for STL, but only because of how crazy the market’s been for sellers this year. I do think BTV is underrating Roby and Saggese, though. Roby was a top 100 prospect on Fangraphs heading into this year


      Regardless, Rangers robbed the Cards blind. Good look hoping Mr.5 ERA ever becomes anything more than a AAA flameout lmaooo

  7. Paul McGuire

    John Mo deal at it finest take something worth more and getting less in return . SMH I hope these prospects work out . John needs to stick to baseball operations and let his GM make the deals. I don’t know why we have a GM cause John Mo makes all the final decisions on personnel.

  8. Chuck W

    Roby is a really nice get. He’s gotten a lot of helium and I think his prospect status isn’t necessarily reflected in his value here.

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