Brewers & Blue Jays




Brewers & Blue Jays

December 3, 2019


Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Brito Minors 2B 0.3 0.2 0.3 0.4
Drury 26 Majors 2B 3B Medium 3.0 -5.5 2.5 -8 0 0 0
Dull 29 Majors RHRP Medium 3.0 -0.4 0.8 -1.2 0 0 0
Gurriel Jr. 25 Majors OF 2B Low 5.0 38.2 20.9 17.3 13.4 17.3 21.1
Jansen 24 Majors C Low 5.0 47.9 14.2 33.7 27 33.7 40.4
Luciano 19 Majors RHRP Medium 5.0 -0.3 0.5 -0.8 0 0 0

Blue Jays

Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Arcia 24 Majors SS Medium 3.0 2.3 2.7 -0.4 0 0 0
Cain 33 Majors OF Low 3.0 33.7 51.0 -17.3 -19.3 -14.9 -10.6
Gray Minors OF 1.9 1.5 1.9 2.3
Hader 25 Majors LHRP Very low 4.0 96.2 52.7 43.5 43.5 48.3 53.1
Peralta 23 Majors RHRP SP Low 5.0 14.4 5.1 9.3 7.3 9.3 11.3
Ray Minors OF 4.8 3.8 4.8 5.8
  1. Larry Krueger

    I believe the Brewers say no. If the Jays would trade Gurriel Jr. and Jansen (51.0 value) for Hader and Ray (53.1 value) I believe that they would get a yes from the Brewers if they thought Gurriel could play 3B or 1B.

    • Chris Matys

      I started off with Jansen and Gurriel Jr. For Hader and Gray but thought the Brewers might want to get rid of Cain’s contract to reinvest on the roster. I added Peralta, Ray and Britto to help balance things out also, I really wanted to get rid of Drury so I figured a swap for Arcia might help both with a change of scenery and maybe Drury returning to the NL might help.

      Of course, your trade works also. My trade above could be simplified but if Milwaukee wants to move Cain out it would/could work for both sides. And I didn’t mean to add Dull I was trying to add Drury and made a mistake but didn’t feel like redoing the whole trade as it was at the end.

      Thanks for the feedback it’s much appreciated!

      • Larry Krueger

        Thanks for sharing your logic. I certainly understand where you are going with this. From everything I read about the Brewers there is no impetus to get rid of Cains contract. When they signed Cain, it was like a love affair. Cain wanted to be in Milwaukee and the Brewers wanted him etc…. He may even have a no trade clause. However, if I learned anything from GM David Sterns is he doesn’t let emotion get in the way of his decision making so I guess anything can happen. Thanks again for sharing your logic. Good luck to the Blue Jays. (I’m an ex-Blue Jay myself, but that was in high school. 🙂 )

        • John Bitzer

          Jeff Passan is now reporting that the Brewers will listen on Cain. They know his value is negative, but presumably they’re thinking they can get an overpay since the market for CFs is very thin this year.

          • Chris Matys

            What do you think the return would look like from my Blue Jays?

        • Chris Matys

          Np and thanks for the feedback it’s greatly appreciated!

          I agree that it was a love affair for both sides but the blue jays we’re in on him too but didn’t want to commit the extra year (at least that’s what the TO media told us) which is why I thought he could be a good fit (apparently we were his 2nd or 3rd choice according to the media up here).

          We know this deal could be simplified to Jansen and Gurriel Jr. For Hader and either Gray or Ray, but hypothetically if Cain was added what do you think would be going both ways other than the aforementioned players?

  2. Larry Krueger

    Thanks John for the post. You know the old saying “you can’t tell a player without a scorecard”? Well in Milwaukee it looks like it will be true. Wow, what a lot of changes. It is not necessarily bad, it just depends on who they replace them with. Very interesting.

  3. Chris Matys

    Thank you for your post. I always love talking baseball especially when it involves my Blue Jays! Appreciate you taking the time:)

    • John Bitzer

      To your earlier question about a return for Cain, I invite you to play around with the simulator to find out!

      • Chris Matys

        I already did and it wasn’t received well even though according to this site the value was fair, which is why I asked you (a Brewers fan presumably) what you think would be fair.

        • John Bitzer

          I see. I think the best the Brewers can hope for with Cain is a very minor prospect (less than 1.0 value), unless they pair him with another asset that has positive value (like Hader).

          However, I’m not a Brewers fan, so they may have other views.

          • Chris Matys

            I shouldn’t have presumed you were a brewer fan but nonetheless, it’s good to get an outsider’s perspective. Thanks for the input:)

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