Mets & Guardians




Mets & Guardians

December 9, 2020


Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Carrasco 33 Majors SP Low 3.0 35.8 27.0 8.8 7 8.8 10.5
Lindor 26 Majors SS Medium 1.0 53.0 21.5 31.5 31.5 36.2 41
McKenzie 23 Majors SP Low 6.0 35.0 13.9 21.1 16.9 21.1 25.3
Perez 31 Majors C Medium 2.0 6.4 6.0 0.4 0 0.4 0.8
Ramirez 27 Majors 3B 2B Medium 3.0 90.3 33.4 56.9 45.5 56.9 68.3


Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Alonso 25 Majors 1B Low 4.0 67.5 24.2 43.3 34.6 43.3 52
Davis 27 Majors 3B 1B Medium 4.0 29.5 12.3 17.2 13.8 17.2 20.7
McNeil 28 Majors 2B OF Low 4.0 86.1 30.6 55.5 50 61.1 72.2
  1. There is no need for Alonso, Davis, and McNeil if the Indians are trading 2/5 of their starting rotation and the heart of team in Carrasco and their key offensive players.

    • Kyle Nelson

      You are missing the part that is most important to Cleveland….Eliminating 80% of their payroll. That seems to be their priority.
      Also gaining 3 controllable young studs while dealing from a position of strength. Starting pitching.

    • Kyle Nelson

      There goes the “Heart and Soul” that Cleveland would “never” trade! LOL LFGM

  2. Kyle Nelson

    Wasn’t Brad Hand an important part of their team, “Heart and Soul” etc….?? What did they get for him? Anything close to Alonso, McNeil or JDD? No, absolutely nothing.

    • Jacob Wise

      Quite frankly, no? Hand was a good piece but as indicated by the fact he wasn’t even claimed on waivers, not worth his contract.

      As long as Indians have cheap young good SP, they won’t be folding. Ramirez’s contract is team friendly as it is, and it’s already established they’re willing to pay the asking price for good defensive catching. Sure Lindor will be traded, and possibly Carrasco (though that will definitely hurt a lot) but neither of those moves disqualify the Indians from being competitive.

      Not to mention if they did decide to tear everything down, it doesn’t make sense to pick up players who won’t actually help the rebuild… They’ll want top prospects.

      • Kyle Nelson

        Pete Alonso wouldn’t help a rebuild? He just turned 26. Does that mean you wouldn’t want Acuna because he has one less year of control? Hopefully Cleveland has 81 Day Games next year. Not sure they can afford to turn the lights on. Good luck

        • Jacob Wise

          He turned 26 but reaches arbitration in 2022, as do the others (and Bieber iirc), so if the Indians continue to trade their stars as they get expensive, they’d only be around for a few years. I’d hardly call that a productive rebuild.

          The fact is the Indians are a small market team. No amount complaining or snarky comments is going to change that any time soon. It’s frustrating sure, but it is what it is.

          It’s also a fact that despite this the Indians FO has managed to field a relatively competitive team for the better part of the decade while strategically trading players at opportune times. Just because Lindor’s time is now doesn’t suddenly mean they must trade away anyone not on a min contract. This is the way they’ve operated for years now, and it’s simply not productive to pretend that’s gonna change, or that they necessarily need to change.

          • Kyle Nelson

            Correction: Lindor’s time is not ‘now’. It was last year! Is this site accurate or no? If so, this is more than fair. Look at the numbers. Mets throw in Rosario if need be. Who is Cleveland’s ‘competitive’ infield for next year?

  3. Jacob Wise

    I can’t reply to your latest for whatever reason, so this will have to do.

    I have no qualms with the value, it is fair. Alonso and McNeil are very good, as is Davis on his day. I just don’t think it makes any sense.

    I don’t necessarily disagree that Lindor’s time was last season, but nothing we can do about that now…

    Trading Lindor alone does not mean Cleveland will not be able to field a *relatively* competitive team in 2021 or 2022 (by which I’m going to define as making the playoffs). Thus if that’s the case, it makes sense to acquire players who can meaningfully contribute in that timeframe, like any one of these guys (though obviously Alonso and McNeil are worth way more than Lindor), or many other options tossed about on this site (Gurriel Jr or Meadows for example). And the FO has proven to be capable of doing that.

    However trading the 5 above guys probably means Cleveland is punting on both 2021 and maybe 2022. Thus it makes no sense to acquire 3 players who probably won’t be around much longer than that. They’ll want guys who can contribute in 2023 and beyond.

    I’m not going to pretend to know what being “relatively competitive” looks like in 2021 assuming they don’t tear down. But coming off a season where every position player (including Lindor) not named Jose Ramirez had career worst performances and they still made the playoffs, only narrowly missing out on topping the division, I think they’ll be just fine as long as they get good value back for Lindor.

    • Kyle Nelson

      As a Met fan, I’m hoping they don’t trade for Lindor. He’s the least of the 5 I’d want in this proposal. Aren’t the Indians losing their 1b, 2b and most likely ss in the same offseason? Don’t they have a ton of excess SP’s? Aren’t they desperate to substantially trim payroll? Isn’t their best prospect a 3 baseman?

      • Jacob Wise

        Even as a Cleveland fan, I agree that Lindor probably shouldn’t be a priority for the Mets.

        They lost 2B Hernandez to FA, presumably SS Lindor (obviously), and opted to not pick up 1B Santana’s option. As far as SP, they have lots of fringe pitchers, probably good enough to trade any one pitcher (hence the recent Carrasco rumors) but probably not much more than that. As far as trimming payroll, they already shed most of what they intended to, aside Lindor and *maybe* Carrasco (but there’s a very significant emotional component to that decision). Financially, the question now isn’t really whether or not they’ll shed any more payroll, it’s whether or not they’ll be willing to add anything.

        As far as prospects, Nolan Jones has played 3B all through the minors, but there’s always been questions as to whether he actually sticks there. Much more likely he plays corner OF, at least as a rookie. Also of note, they have a handful of middle infielders (Chang, Clement, Miller) and 1B (Bauers, Bradley) expected to get fair shots this season.

        If I had to guess what the Indians want to do this offseason, they’ll trade for a good LF and a mediocre SS, sign a 2B and maybe a cheap OF from free agency. So infield would be Ramirez 3B, new SS, new/returning? 2B, Naylor 1B; outfield would be new LF, Mercado CF, Luplow/Johnson RF.

        Assuming the loss of Lindor’s bat can be made up by the rest of the lineup returning closer to career norms and the addition of an actual live outfielder, I think it’s reasonable to expect 2021 to be at worst the same as 2020. It’s not exciting, but it’s par for the course for the Indians.

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