Rays & Guardians




Rays & Guardians

October 14, 2021


Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Ramirez 28 Majors 3B 2B Medium 2.0 96.7 24.0 72.7 58.1 72.7 87.2


Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Brujan Minors 2B 40.6 32.5 40.6 48.7
Chirinos 27 Majors SP Medium 3.0 19.2 7.2 12 9.6 12 14.4
Colmenarez Minors SS 16.3 13 16.3 19.6
Kiermaier 31 Majors OF Medium 2.0 25.2 25.2 0 0 0.4 0.8
  1. M P

    Colmenarez was the Rays’ top international free agent signee in 2021. Those guys are not traded in the first year or two. Trading top international signees that quickly would harm (kill) the Rays’ ability to sign any other top international free agents in the future. It’s just not gonna happen. The rest of this trade works for the Rays.

  2. J.M. F.

    Nothing in this trade works for Cleveland. They certainly would not take Kiermaier and his contract when they already have a CF. The strength of the Cleveland farm system in with infielders, especially up the middle. Cleveland is also facing a 40 man roster crunch so dumping players on Cleveland will not happen. And finally, and most importantly, they will not take an undersell if they decide to trade Ramirez.

  3. Jackson Weatherbee

    I actually like this deal for both sides. The only thing is that the Indians may have to send some money back in return and pay a part of Ramirez’s contract, I would guess at least 25 percent, for the Rays to be interested at all and then give up Brujan and Colmenarez

    • J.M. F.

      So let me get this straight jacksonw1635, you not only want Jose Ramirez in an undersell of his value while sticking Cleveland with Kiermaier and his worthless contract, players that they don’t need, and still want Cleveland to pay part of Ramirez’s salary. Let me assure you that this trade will never happen. It was reported at the deadline that Cleveland was not interested in trading Jose Ramirez unless “overwhelmed.” I don’t see that viewpoint changing this offseason. Also for a trade to happen, both teams’ needs must be met. This proposal does nothing to meet any needs of the Cleveland Indians/Guardians.

      • M P

        JMF – KK put up 2.5 fWAR this year with a 101 wRC+ and elite defense. You may not like KK’s skill set, but he and his contract are by no means worthless. I don’t know if the Rays are interested in trading him, but if they shop him, there will be demand for his services.

        • J.M. F.

          KK is given a 0.4 on this site for a reason. His contract lessens his value. Cleveland has Myles Straw for CF and has no need for a Kiermaier. Another team may be willing, but Cleveland will not.

          • Jake Vanderlinde

            Agreed that kk’s contract lessens his value but you can’t compare him to myles straw. I wasn’t aware that MIF depth was Cleveland’s strength which obviously would make this deal less attractive to them. What in your opinion would they be after ? Pitching ?

          • M P

            Maybe we’re saying the same thing, only differently. When you say KK has a worthless contract, I heard you say KK is a worthless player with a contract that is fully underwater. As you point out above though, BTV values KK at 0.4, meaning his worth is actually more than his contract. I’m saying KK is a very good centerfielder who would be worth about $13MM / year on the open market.

  4. J.M. F.

    Myles Straw was very good offensively and defensive during the second half of the season following his trade from the Astros. Cleveland needs offense, especially from the corner outfield position which is their biggest weakness. They would want controllable MLB or MLB ready corner bats as the most important piece. Regardless, I truly don’t see Cleveland trading Ramirez. There is talk of adding a minority owner this offseason. John Sherman was a minority owner, but he left a few seasons ago and bought his hometown KC Royals. Cleveland spent more when Sherman was around. It was also reported that Jose Ramirez would like to stay in Cleveland. I am sure that they will exhaust all efforts on that front. One thing to add is that Cleveland will not enter a rebuild. There is just no need to do so.

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