Cubs & Brewers




Cubs & Brewers

January 17, 2022


Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Hader 27 Majors LHRP Very low 2.0 47.5 25.0 22.5 22.5 27 31.5
Hiura 24 Majors 2B High 4.0 -0.2 0.6 -0.8 0 0 0
Lauer 26 Majors SP Medium 3.0 16.2 7.0 9.2 7.4 9.2 11
Narvaez 29 Majors C Medium 1.0 14.4 4.1 10.3 8.1 10.3 12.5


Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Contreras 29 Majors C High 1.0 21.5 8.7 12.8 11.5 14 16.6
Happ 26 Majors OF Medium 2.0 34.6 16.4 18.2 14.5 18.2 21.8
Hoerner 24 Majors 2B Low 4.0 25.8 10.3 15.5 12.4 15.5 18.6
  1. jay monty

    This would be a great trade for the Cubs. It makes them better and the Brewers worse. Narvaez is much cheaper than Contreras. Hoerner would be on the bench. Happ would have to be their DH (if there is a DH in the NL). The Brewers gain next to nothing and lose a ton.

  2. Bennett Johnson

    Happ would be a huge upgrade for the Brewers outfield. He took off the second half of 2021 and is entering his prime, controllable for 2 more years, and a versatile player. Narvaez hits but doesn’t defend well. Contreras is a much better all-around player at backstop. Hoerner pushes Wong to DH (provided it happens), so I disagree that the “Brewers gain next to nothing.” But to be honest, I think Milwaukee would be better off to deal Hader separately, rather than in a package, if they trade him. Chances of them sending him to a Division rival is slim.

    • Larry Krueger

      Thumbs down vote for both teams. This trade would have zero chance of happening. But, good for you to dream up such a trade and then try to defend it. However, as you said, Chances of them sending him (Hader) to a division rival is slim.

  3. Bennett Johnson

    Well, both teams better do something. Brewers outfield is a mess. Yelich looks like the next Ja-Hey. Cubs pitching, especially at closer, is thin. Rivals rarely make trades, but I’ve never understood the rationale. White Sox got Jimenez and Cease from Cubs for Quintana. Cubs got Madrigal and Heuer from Sox for Kimbrel. So what?

    • Larry Krueger

      The rationale is that these 2 teams face each other 19 times during the season with the same goal, to be division champion. If the Brewers trade Hader, don’t you think they’d rather send him to a team that isn’t trying to beat them 19 times a year?

  4. Bennett Johnson

    I’m assuming every team is trying to beat the other team every game they play. The purpose of a trade is to strengthen your team. If you can accomplish that without helping a division foe, perhaps you have a point. But if team #1 has two shortstops and needs a catcher, and team #2 has two catchers and no shortstop, just because they happen to be division rivals is no reason not to make a deal with each other. As you point out, they only play each other 19 (I thought is was 18.) games per year. The rest of the time they are playing a team other than their trade partner. So both teams #1 and #2 have an incentive to put the strongest team on the field. That means trading from an area of strength to shore up a weakness, regardless. You may disagree, but I think I am being logical here.

    • Larry Krueger

      Sure there are times when trading within your division could make sense. It it’s a logical trade that helps both teams, then yes. However, this trade makes no sense for either team. It doesn’t even matter if they are in the same division. As I write this comment the votes on this trade are as follows:

      Cubs: up vote 1, down vote 7
      Brewers: up vote 0, down vote 9

      I rest my case.
      ps: Brewers 15 wins Cubs 4 in 2021.

  5. Bennett Johnson

    Spikes, you care about consensus more than I do. Cubs need another starter, preferably a lefty, plus a closer. They are hard to come by. Rodon scares me. Janssen doesn’t excite me. If the Cubs don’t resign Contreras in the offseason. He will be harder to deal at the deadline, because most contending teams have a catcher in place already at midseason. Hoerner looks more like a 5th wheel than the answer at SS. I would hate to lose Happ, but there are a number of outfield solutions on the free agent market–Bryant, Conforto, Castellano, to name a few. If the Cubs sign one of them, CORREA, and make this deal, they are contenders. That’s a lot of ifs.

    I already conceded that the Brewers would be smarter to trade Hader separately. They are also limited on what they can spend, since they are a “small-market” team. So, the answers to their problems seem less likely to be solved via free agency. Right now they finish way behind the Cardinals, imo. So, I will happily remain in the minority and argue that this deal makes them a better team.

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