Rays & White Sox




Rays & White Sox

May 8, 2023


Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Giolito 28 Majors SP Medium 0.8 27.3 8.6 18.7 15 18.7 22.4
Graveman 32 Majors RHRP Low 1.8 16.7 14.6 2 1.6 2 2.4
Kopech 27 Majors SP Low 2.8 26.9 9.9 17 13.6 17 20.4

White Sox

Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Aranda 25 Majors 1B Medium 5.8 25.6 9.4 16.2 13 16.2 19.5
Patino 23 Majors SP RHRP Low 3.8 -0.5 0.6 0 0 0 0
Williams Minors SS 3B 26.1 20.9 26.1 31.3
  1. Guillermo hernandez

    Kopech and Graveman become a couple high leverage relievers, which the Rays desperately need. Perhaps next year Kopech transitions back to the rotation, but this year, the Rays need to add a top tier reliever, and I think Kopech can be it. Giolito obviously joins the rotation, reinforcing baseball’s best rotation.

    Aranda is an excellent bat, that should take over for Eloy at DH, assuming Eloy is traded. Williams is far off, but has the ceiling of an MVP, with Taylor Walls’ glove and Brandon Lowe’s bat. Patino is a throw in, hoping to resurrect a career. I said last season that he never pitches in the majors again, and I stick by that assessment. But maybe the White Sox can teach him an eephus or knuckleball or something, because he’ll need a gimmick to ever get Major Leaguers out again.

    • M P

      Rays aren’t going to trade Williams for pitching. Their post-season rotation of Glas, McClanny, Ras and Eflin is as good as or better than anyone else has. Their relievers look rough right now, but things will look different when Glas returns (kicking Yonny or Fleming to the Pen), Fairbanks (5/15), Armstrong (5/29), and Kitt (2nd half) return. Throw in some rookie promotions, the possible successful transition of Patino to the Pen, and the use of Bradley in the Pen during the post-season, and I think the Rays will only try to get 1 high leverage reliever by the deadline. This trade seems like overkill to me.

      • Guillermo hernandez

        Our rotation reminds me of the Yankees rotation. Four top tier starters, garbage after that. They’ve lost two of them, and are a .500 team because of it. We are 6 months from the postseason. Springs is gone, Cleavinger is done, Glasnow is always injured, Fairbanks is on the IL with forearm probs and can’t be used when it’s chilly. I want to shore up this rotation so that if, when, we lose a starting pitcher, we don’t have to throw some dude with a 6 xFIP.

        Patino is playing in Korea next year. He’s no longer good enough for Japan.

        I’m not willing to sell the farm to increase our chances, but I am 100% willing to sell our 6th-8th best prospect if it means adding an ace pitcher and what I believe will be an elite reliever.

        Our season ended in 20 innings last year because we were playing a wild card game. As great as this team has been, there’s 6 months to go, and I don’t want to play in another wild card game. If there has ever been a year to add significantly to the major league roster, it’s this year.

        • M P

          Fair enough. Williams is our 3rd/4th best prospect though. This trade also adds $20MM in salary to payroll. I don’t think it’s likely.

          • Guillermo hernandez

            I don’t think Carson Williams is in our top six. For me: Taj, Baz, Basabe, Caminero, Mead, Manzingo all above him in no particular order are above him. Also probably Xavier Isaac. And I don’t differentiate much between prospects and pre-arb players, so if you included all pre-arb players, Walls, Paredes, Siri all above Carson Williams as well. Much to my surprise, Josh Lowe might get there too.

            PS, Kidding about Xavier Isaac.

          • Guillermo hernandez

            Also, no, I’m not that gator ray guy. I sometimes read comments, and I will likely come back eventually, but I’m not there yet. If I was, I would be tooting the shit out of my horn. I took a lot of grief for saying Taylor walls would be good enough to get MVP votes while he was OPAing .600 and metrics called him the worst fielder in baseball. The metrics were wrong, and it’s okay to not base every comment on them as if fielding metrics are infallible. I got mocked every time I said Luis Patino was the worst pitcher in baseball, Pinto was a top 20 prospect in our system, and Gray would make the opening day roster. I’m taking a win for Gray, because he deserved it.

            You’ll see me eventually, but you haven’t seen me yet. When I have an argument to win, I’ll be back. But I’ve won them all, and don’t feel like arguing anymore. I joined Twitter. I have like two followers, but that’s all I need. They get a lot of great shit lol.

          • Guillermo hernandez

            Actually, I took a lot of video of Taylor Walls the other day at the game, and trying to figure out how to edit stuff. I’ll share my opinions with you once I do. He’s fun to watch in the field. A lot of pre-swing movement, more than anyone I’ve ever seen. He is dead sprint sometimes when the ball crosses the plate.

          • M P

            HA HA. You had me going with Isaac. You know how much I hated that pick.

            I knew you weren’t Gatoray. You bring a certain sophistication to the party that Gatoray lacks. You didn’t win all the arguments though. Josh Lowe is da man. I told you to give him time to adjust to ML pitching. I also still think we’ll see Patino back up with the Rays before year end, and he just might work out as a reliever.

          • Guillermo hernandez

            I am far from admitting I was wrong about Josh Lowe. But I am thrilled to admit that I gave up on him way too soon. His physical gifts are extremely rare. He has 40/40 potential, and I think there’s only five or so guys in the game that can say that. Ohtani, Kelenic, Lowe, Wander, JRod, and Xavier Isaac.

            I still don’t understand how somebody that can hit the ball 115 mph is bottom 8% on average exit velocity though. He will hit dinker after dinker after dinker, that doesn’t stand a prayer of rolling to the outfield grass if the infield was sloped and the wind was blowing out, and then hit one 460 ft.

            Seeing as how often he’s batting 6th or 7th against righties, and pretty much sitting against lefties even when Raley isn’t, I don’t think the Rays have as much faith in him as many of us Rays fans have. I think they are probably calling a lot of teams and hyping his 150 wRC+ right now. They have “overpayed” for a lot of relievers recently, and I think they’re getting ready to do it again. Nick Anderson, Feyereisen and Rasmussen, Springs, Chargois all had Rays fans pissed at how much they gave up and how little they got back. I would not all be surprised if Lowe got the Wil Meyers treatment, and got shipped out to someone who buys the hype more than the Rays do.

            I definitely undervalued Lowe’s potential. I don’t think I undervalued his skill. I just don’t see it, even now that he’s succeeding. I watch the game, and I see him late on fastballs, fooled by breakers, and rolling over on offspeed. It’s similar to watching Brandon Lowe in the funk he’s in right now, except for instead of striking out four times a game, he gets jammed 4 times a game. I think BLowe can get out of his funk, because he’s just being fooled. I think Josh Lowe doesn’t have the skill set to hit a good fastball. His highlights are spectacular, but the other 9/10 at bats end in horrid contact, and it’s not just my eyes. Statcast backs it up.

            He’s the anti-Taylor Walls. Walls never hits anything hard, but when he hits it, he hits it as hard as he is capable of. Every time with Walls it’s like 98 off the bat. With J Lowe, it’s 115 off the bat, 109 next at bat, and then followed by 60, 60, 60, 60, 60,60….

            Credit where it’s due for sure though. You saw ability that I didn’t. He’s doing things I didn’t think he could do. I am way more excited about his future than I was a month ago. I wanted him in the minors and Gray in the majors lol.

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