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December 1, 2019

Indians

Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Andujar 24 Majors 3B Medium 4.0 34.9 7.7 27.2 23.7 27.2 30.7
Frazier 24 Majors OF Medium 4.0 18.0 4.5 13.5 9.9 13.5 17.1
Kahnle 29 Majors RHRP Medium 2.0 18.4 7.5 10.9 7.2 10.9 14.6
Voit 28 Majors 1B Medium 5.0 24.8 11.6 13.2 11.2 13.2 15.2

Yankees

Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Lindor 25 Majors SS Very low 2.0 95.5 41.7 53.8 53.8 63.4 72.9
Santana 33 Majors 1B DH Medium 2.0 15.9 17.3 -1.4 -3.4 -1.4 0.6
7 Comments
  1. Daniel Marcoulis

    Though many would assume my least favorite team would be the Dodgers, it’s actually the Yankees. And as much as this pains me to do, this made a lot of sense to me.

    Both teams are in a win now mode, so a big minor league haul didn’t seem as appropriate as ready now players.

    Yank’s need a SS, so what better choice than Lindor. That beautiful smile just beckons pinstripes (unfortunately). They’ll take on Santana and his age/contract as a sales pitch to Cleveland, though I’m not sure how much Cleveland fans really hold onto Santana. As a Giants fan, I could careless about my aged players when we are in a losing situation, so I’m going off that notion. They also can unload Frazier for something they are in need with a OF logjam.

    The Indians are in a weird spot with some stranger holes. They need a 2B but they can move Ramirez there and open up Andujar for the 3B spot while helping subsides the offensive loss in Lindor (though not the defensive portion). Add Frazier for outfield depth and pop. Voit takes over Santana with plenty of power in his tank. Kahnle was a great reliever a bit overshined by the monster that is the bullpen of the NYY. Still a solid RP and can be hugely beneficial to Clevelands lack thereof in that area.

    My only big “if” about this was I’m not sure how Cleveland feels about Lindor and Santana. I know Lindor is a huge fan favorite but there’s obvious reasons to unload him now. As far as Santana, I’m not sure if that’s just too much of a loss when adding Lindor that the teams PR backlash would be too great.

    Lemme hear thoughts!

  2. John Furlong

    Santana is better than Voit and one of the leaders in the Indians locker room. Andujar is a hack at third and is a DH. A team that values defense like the Indians would not likely place the same value on Andujar. Like Andujar, Frazier is very poor defensively and has attitude issues. Cleveland values their lockerroom culture so I doubt they would be interested in a reunion with Frazier. I don’t see the Indians being interested in the parts that they Yankees would be willing to trade.

    Cleveland will set a high price for Lindor and not deviate from it. If they do not get what they want, Lindor will be an Indian in 2020. Their front office is very sharp.

    • Karl Ozolins

      Santana isn’t necessarily better than Voit. Defensively yes but offensively not at all Last year his numbers were bloated because of the ball like everyone else. 2019 was he only time Santana was hitter over a 900 OPS or a 500 sluggin percentage which btw Andujar(slugging) did in his only full year.
      He’s basically a high 700’s to low 800’s player which is highly tied into him being a very patient hitter with a high walk %
      Voits decline the last month of the year was because of a sports hernia. Otherwise he’s a 900 OPS player and has nothing to do with the short porch because he doesn’t hit the ball to right field with power that much but he hasn’t played much I will give you that.
      Dumping money would definetely help Cleveland while getting Voit who is 4 years younger than Santana with 5 years of cheap control.

      The rest of the trade I’m not debating since you and I have had a few conversations about this.

      • E Schwarz

        Voit and Santana are similar hitters who take walks and have some pop.Santana is a good first baseman Voit is a DH who can play first.
        To cite OPS as a key stat between two players who have radically different amounts of playing time like these two is not statistically sound(small sample size).
        Voit has put up high OPS in two seasons where he had 150 at bats and you’re comparing that to a player who literally plays every day,and puts up nice numbers.Voit finally was a full time player last season and still didn’t have a better year than Santana.
        Voit is superior to Santana in one way only ,he’s cheaper.
        The Indians function with a budget and they are still under(12-15 million) that budget with Santana and Lindor and Kluber.They have to get an infielder,they could use some bullpen help and a bat in the outfield.
        So there isn’t a crying need to save money especially by trading a top five player for three DH types who all have histories of injuries,and a middle reliever with 2 years of control.

        • Karl Ozolins

          lol you just repeated what I said about limited time, why even do that? look at Voits numbers before the hernia. They were at the same level of Santana.
          Look at Santana’s numbers before last year?
          yes ops is somewhat dated but it made a point. Santana is a solid player who is good for his contract.
          Voit is 20x.

          To go off the juiced ball numbers is ridiculous if that’s all you can state.

          I didn’t debate the rest of the trade or there needs.

          I was basically saying if they get rid of both contracts .they can get solid player like Didi to replace lindor and a 2nd or 3bman perhaps Donaldson*again i’m not going by this trade just by dumping the salary and Voit being a cable replacement.

      • Karl Ozolins

        They could also use it on the bullpen instead. First base is the last place you should be spending money on.

  3. John Furlong

    Regardless of all of the arguments on who is better between Santana and Voit above, the Indians would not consider this deal as it does not meet their needs. A Lindor trade is to gain player value for now and the future, not as a way to save money by attaching another contract. Cleveland’s front office is known around the league to set a high price and not vary from their ask. I anticipate Lindor playing for the Indians in 2020 unless “overwhelmed.” I don’t see the Yankees as being able to make that “overwhelming” package.

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