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September 7, 2021

Guardians

Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Allan Minors RHP 13.7 11 13.7 16.4
Baty Minors 3B 33.5 26.8 33.5 40.2
Ginn Minors RHP 5.4 4.3 5.4 6.5
Mauricio Minors SS 30.6 24.5 30.6 36.7

Mets

Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Karinchak 25 Majors RHRP Low 4.0 21.0 7.9 13.1 10.5 13.1 15.7
Mercado 26 Majors OF Medium 4.0 1.9 1.3 0.6 0.4 0.6 0.8
Perez 32 Majors C Medium 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Ramirez 28 Majors 3B 2B Medium 2.0 85.3 24.0 61.3 55.2 67.5 79.7
5 Comments
  1. Andrew Codding

    Who is the Met’s third baseman right now? JD Davis or Jeff McNeil. Jose Ramirez would provide stability in the lineup for the next season and potentially longer. Roberto Perez may be the league’s best defensive catcher and with James McCann as their #1 catcher, Roberto could provide nice backup with really good defense. It’s probably too early to give up on Karinchak and Mercado, but a change of scenery for them could do wonders. Karinchak would plug right into the Mets bullpen and Mercado could replace Conforto if the Mets let him walk. On the Indians’ side of the return: Allan, Baty, Mauricio, and Ginn would all be pieces for the future. Baty’s in AA, while Ginn, Allan, and Mauricio are all in Brooklyn with the Mets’ high-A team. Obviously, there are questions about this package. How would Baty and Nolan Jones play? Don’t the Indians already have enough middle infield prospects? Jones has been working on playing first base and outfield, but he’s a little ahead of Baty in the development stage. The Indians stockpile middle infielders because they are the best athletes in baseball. They can really play anywhere with a little practice. Thoughts?

  2. J.M. F.

    Here are my thoughts on this proposal.

    Positives – Cleveland clears three 40 man roster spots for the upcoming offseason roster crunch. The Indians can survive the losses of Mercado, Karinchak, and Perez (as they would likely just keep one of Perez or Hedges this offseason). I don’t trust or have faith in Karinchak.

    Negatives: This trade takes Cleveland out of contention for at least the 2022 season which wastes Bieber and their starting pitching. The prospects included do not address any of the needs of the Cleveland Indians for their future. We saw that a move to the outfield affected Amed Rosario’s hitting early this season. He did not start to hit until his return to shortstop. I think they will try again to transition him to outfield, this time a corner spot with the entire offseason to work on it, or he will be the one that could be moved this offseason for help in areas of need. I don’t see the Mets trading both pitchers and does Cleveland need more pitching after drafting mostly pitchers in the last draft. And yes, I definitely question adding more middle infielders. Freeman, Arias, Rocchio, Gimenez just scratch the surface of what we have coming.

    Overall, I believe that Cleveland’s front office would say no to this deal. I think that their still is an opportunity to extend Jose Ramirez especially with the rumors of adding a minority owner which would help boost payroll. Also, they have always tried to thread the needle to contend each year. They have constantly stated after every trade the desire to address needs on the current ballclub, as well as, needs for future teams. This trade proposal goes against that idea as this trade does nothing but hurt the now tremendously.

    Personally, I am against any move that gives up on the 2022 season. I also would not trade Jose until all avenues of extension talks are exhausted without a positive outcome. Those are my thoughts. Have a great day.

    • Andrew Codding

      See, that’s something I struggle with. How can the Indians contend next season? Sure, Jose and Reyes and Bieber will be back, but the White Sox will still be really good, the rest of the AL is really good, and, barring a salary floor, it doesn’t look like the Indians will do anything big to really make them contenders. Are they contenders right now? No. Could they be next year? Maybe. I thought about including Brandon Nimmo in the deal along with JD Davis while leaving out Baty and Ginn, but I went with the prospect package instead. It does seem more likely that IF they do trade Jose, they’d get players that can plug and play right now. Looking back on the trades we’ve done recently, Clevinger, Bauer, Lindor, Kluber. They all got pieces for the now. Clev got Hedges and Naylor, Bauer got Reyes and Allen, Lindor got Rosario and Gimenez, and Kluber got Clase. I hope they don’t trade Jose because I really like him, but this kinda seems like it’s gonna happen. I hope I’m wrong

  3. J.M. F.

    A lot of what happens is going to depend on this offseason. What happens with the contract negotiations with the players? Is there a work stoppage or strike? Is a new minority owner added? Is there a new local TV contract? Is there a salary cap and floor? All these questions will address Cleveland’s path through this offseason. I can see paths open to a Jose Ramirez extension. Until then, I will oppose any rebuilding trade idea. JD Davis would do little to help as he struggles greatly at 3B defensively and is little more than a DH which Cleveland does not need. I also think that we could get a better package elsewhere for Jose than we can from the Mets.

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