Guardians & Rays




Guardians & Rays

November 2, 2021


Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Meadows 26 Majors OF Low 3.0 20.8 11.2 9.6 7.7 9.6 11.5


Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Allen Minors LHP 5.3 4.2 5.3 6.4
Palacios Minors 2B 1.7 1.3 1.7 2.1
Tolentino Minors SS 2.6 2.1 2.6 3.1
  1. M P

    It’s a fair trade on paper, but a reliever and two infield depth pieces doesn’t really excite me if I’m the Rays. Not for Meadows.

    • Eli Kov

      @mp2891 perhaps you might look into the package going to the Rays.. It’s clear, you haven’t.. these three guys.. are not throw ins / depth pieces or relievers.


    • Jacob Wise

      Neither Allen not Palacios are throw ins by any means. Allen the younger is a starter, arguably had the best season of any Cleveland minor leagues pitcher. And Palacios had a great season hopping between the infield and outfield. But also for those reasons I can’t see Cleveland trading them in a hurry. Allen is the exact type of arm that keeps their pitching conveyor belt moving, and Palacios’s bat is the exact high OBP profile they could use, albeit only proven in the minors.

    • M P

      Maybe Allen is a starter with the right team, but he doesn’t excite me much. According to MLB, he’s got a 50 grade on both his fastball and his curve. He does have a good changeup and he has above average control, but one pitch does not a starter make. Fangraphs doesn’t rank his tools any better. He did have a good season, so perhaps his tool grades deserve a bump.

      Tolentino has an average hit tool with no power (he certainly struggled in Low A this year). Sure, he’s a good fielder, so maybe he can develop into a defense first SS. I was overly harsh on Palacios. Was looking at the 2020 MLB prospect rankings (which didn’t include Palacios) and the ST Fangraphs report. Palacios has a good hit tool and he had a very good year. Still, his power grade is lacking, at a position that demands power.

      So that’s one starting pitcher with basically one pitch, one defense first SS with an average hit tool and no power, and one 2B who might develop a pretty good hit tool but with no power (at a position that basically demands power). Hmmm, sounds like a reliever, a potentially good OBP hitter, and a middle infield depth piece. Everyone happy?

      • Big Bat

        You’re so very wrong about Allen and Palacios and that will be revealed when things are updated. You’re looking at old reports and Allen is anything but a 1 pitch SP. That’s actually laughable. I do agree with your assessment of Tolentino though and his rankings in Cleveland’s system suggest as much.

        You better go take a look at what Palacios is doing to the advanced pitching in the AFL after tearing up AA and then AAA pitching. He’s the goods and his value to the Cleveland organization far exceeds what is expressed here.

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