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January 26, 2022

Athletics

Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Brujan Minors 2B 26.9 21.5 26.9 32.3
O'Hoppe Minors C 8.5 6.8 8.5 10.2
Patino 21 Majors SP RHRP Low 5.0 25.6 5.5 20.1 16.1 20.1 24.1
Rojas Minors OF 9.7 7.8 9.7 11.6
Vierling 24 Majors OF Medium 6.0 20.8 12.1 8.7 7 8.7 10.4

Rays

Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Abel Minors RHP 28.2 22.6 28.2 33.8
Gibson 33 Majors SP Medium 1.0 13.1 7.0 6.1 4.9 6.1 7.3
Hoskins 28 Majors 1B Very low 2.0 34.3 19.2 15.1 13.6 16.6 19.6

Phillies

Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Chapman 28 Majors 3B High 2.0 45.6 23.7 21.9 19.7 24.1 28.5
Kiermaier 31 Majors OF Medium 2.0 11.5 14.7 -3.2 -3.4 -2.8 -2.2
Laureano 26 Majors OF Medium 4.0 84.3 23.8 60.5 48.4 60.5 72.6
Piscotty 30 Majors OF High 1.0 0 8.6 -8.6 -8.6 -8.6 -8.6
Yarbrough 29 Majors SP Medium 3.0 16.6 11.0 5.6 3.4 4.5 5.6
11 Comments
  1. chris salber

    I worked a few things (added prospect to the Phillies and other pitchers which evened out the values) out but every time I went to validate trade I had to add Piscotty to the deal.

  2. Nathan Thompson

    Question…

    If Tampa was willing to trade Patino and Brujan… why wouldn’t they go direct to Oakland and acquire Olson to play 1B? They add the better player and undercut a division competitor in one move. They still need to move KK for payroll (IMO) but the Phillies would still be in play there.

    • M P

      I don’t think the Rays would trade Patino and Brujan for Olson. It’s just not the Rays’ style to trade FOR players with trade values as high Olson.

      • Nathan Thompson

        I said “IF” they were willing to trade Patino and Brujan.

        I don’t think they will. I’m trying to get philliescts to view the scenario he lays out from a different perspective.

  3. M P

    This trade has potential if the Rays aren’t sold on Patino. Of course, if they think Patino is going to realize his potential, then this trade doesn’t work. For one, his upside is huge and he’s under control for 5 more years, 5 years in which the Rays are likely to be competing for titles and championships. For another, if Patino realizes his potential, then his value would nearly triple to catch up to guys like McClanny and Baz.

    That said, the Rays could be better off with Gibson over Patino in 2022. Gibson is an established veteran with a history of solid seasons of 2.5 fWAR or better. A rotation of Kluber, McClanny, Rasmussen, Gibson, Baz and Fleming would be a solid group. The Rays would also have Romero and possibly McKay available if needed. Then in 2023, they get Glas back and their other top pitching prospect (Bradley) would be ready for his call up. Abel would then replace Glas in 2024. So it could all work out great.

    Ultimately, I doubt the Rays trade any of their young starting pitchers (McClanny, Patino, Ras, and Baz), even in a creative trade like this, but if they aren’t sold on one of them, I suppose anything is possible.

    • chris salber

      I started this just to see what a Phillies Laureano/ Chapman trade would look like since I knew a swap for Painter and Bohm would and should be laughed at. I actually was against the trade before I did this exercise.

      The more I looked at it the better the possibilities looked. There has already been whispers about KK and Yarbrough in a deal for the Phillies. I think the KK fit is too perfect for it not to happen, but he will miss 40 games so a back up plan is necessary so getting him and Laureano would still work since there are giant holes in CF and LF. Trading for Chapman allows Bohm to move to first and lessens the defensive responsibility at SS for Didi/Stott. The team would go from the worst defensive team in baseball to one of the top defenses. At worse they would be in the top half of the league.

      For the Rays they get a win not SP and a top pitching prospect. Trading Patino and Brujan for Olson would be giving up 11 years of control for 2 expensive years in Olson. By trading for Hoskins they get 2 years of a power hitting 1st baseman with a high OBP and a pitcher to help the rotation in 2022 and 6 years control of a prospect. Yes Olson is better than Hoskins but Hoskins, Gibson, and Abel help them win now and keeps their pipeline moving in the future.

      For the A’s it kickstarts the team with players who MLB players or are only a year. I think right now volume might be more desirable than a singular high end talent. They would get the 3 top 10 prospects from the Phillies and a top rays prospect and a former top prospect in Patino (graduated from prospect lists). Brujan, Patino, and Vierling would be on the MLB roster in 2022 and O’Hoppe and Rojas have an outside chance of being September call ups. They’d still have plenty of suitors for Olson, Murphy, Kemp, Bassitt, Montas, and Manaea to continue acquiring talent.

    • M P

      I agree that a Phillies – Rays trade makes a ton of sense. It could be a relatively small trade for just KK or a larger trade that involves Hoskins. Hoskins is the most expensive of the RHB I’m interested in seeing the Rays acquire (Davis and Ruf being the others), but Hoskins would be a great addition.

      I don’t think you need to assume KK will miss 40 games a year though. The Rays have 3 CFers, with Phillips nearly as good in the field as KK. As such, they have aggressively rested KK throughout the season to make sure he’s at top performance in the playoffs. It’s a luxury the Phillies may not have or need.

      • M P

        This comment was meant to be a reply to philliescts’ comment above. Not sure how I screwed up the response. Oh well…

      • chris salber

        What I really like about KK is what I also fear about acquiring him. He plays with reckless abandon and puts 100% into every play. Its why I am pretty sure he’d be a fan favorite real fast. Pete Rose, Chase Utley, and Aaron Rowand played the same way and instantly fans gravitated towards the player. But the complete disregard for your body also can lead to getting hurt. I don’t follow the Rays as close as I do the Phillies so I don’t know how many of the days off are maintenance and how many are bumps and brusies. I said the same thing about Harper missing time for his style of play, but so far it hasn’t happened. Maybe it would be true for KK too, but I think it’s important to have a plan B. Right now the team doesn’t have a Plan A vs the Rays who have a plan A, B, C, and D for CF.

        • M P

          KK has really limited the reckless abandon plays of late. He knows staying on the field is more important than trying to make every single play he can.

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