The Phillies seem to have filled out the position player side of their 2022 team, but I would think they still have work to do on the pitching side. Yarbrough has history pitching as a starter and as a reliever and is a 150 innings eater. The Phillies could really use someone like him, especially early in the season when pitchers aren’t fully stretched out because of the short ST.
I’m also curious how Philly fans see their offseason. It looks like Philly might have a historically bad defense in 2022, but the offense should be good. Any pitcher without a 10+ K/9 rate is going to get lit up in 2022.
With how little the Rays have done, I don’t think I want to trade Yarbrough until a better replacement has been brought in. Injuries happen, and the Rays have a lot of injury prone SP. They only have 7 healthy starters on the 40 man roster, and Yarbrough trade would make it 6. Rasmussen has had 2 TJ surgeries already. McKay hasn’t thrown a ball in 2 years. Kluber has thrown 100 innings in 3 years. I don’t want some spring training signee to be the #3 or 4 if somebody gets hurt and they want Baz to start the year in AAA.
I’d trade Yarbrough if theres an upgrade and those dollars are spent elsewhere. But I’m not trading him just for the sake of trading him. I can’t believe they haven’t found an upgrade yet.
Trade for Montas and any number of back/end starters/bulk inning arms with experience like Yarbrough, Fleming, maybe Rasmussen or a mlb ready arm like Romero are expendable in the right deals
Possibly the worst possible deal the Phillies could do. In pretty much everyone’s Phillies top prospect rankings, McGary is the third best, you’re giving up your third best pitching prospect for someone who is 30 and had a 5 ERA and a 4.5 FIP last year. Really bad Phillies trade.
Just because the Phillies pharm is atrocious, it doesn’t mean a bad prospect like McGary has more value than other bad prospects, just because all his team mates are bad prospects too. Prospect rankings are relative. He’d be like the 50th best prospect in Tampa Bay. He’s so bad, he’s nowhere near enough to get the Major League pitcher you are downplaying.
It’s a long shot for McGary to even make the Major Leagues.
You’re a clown. First of all the Phillies farm is probably somewhere between 20-25, so saying the farm is atrocious when it’s better then 5-10 systems is stupid. I have seen rankings of people putting him in the top 100 because of his upside, when he makes it to the majors and throws 97 with nasty stuff (what he is right now) he will have value. If he ends up being a reiliever almost every team in baseball would take a chance on someone to pitch just based on that description. His value should be somewhere in the 7’s on this website.
johnbitzerJohn Bitzer
on March 22, 2022 at 6:06 pm
BA rates him as a 40. FG rates him as a 40+. Both cite relief risk. That’s why the value is where it is. If you think it should be higher, take it up with them.
There’s nothing wrong with your valuation, fangraphs, or Baseball America’s. If McGarry was in high demand, he wouldn’t have been a 5th rounder 8 months ago. This goof just doesn’t like that his team’s 7th best prospect (per fangraphs) would rank as Tampa Bay’s 28th best prospect (per fangraphs).
When he stops walking every 7th batter he faces, he might be interesting. But graveyards are littered with the bones of pitchers who couldn’t control their fastball.
With the news today that Baz had a minor surgery and Patino having his arm looked at, I think there is absolutely no chance the Rays trade any of their current rotation arms. Yarbs will be a Ray on OD.
The Phillies seem to have filled out the position player side of their 2022 team, but I would think they still have work to do on the pitching side. Yarbrough has history pitching as a starter and as a reliever and is a 150 innings eater. The Phillies could really use someone like him, especially early in the season when pitchers aren’t fully stretched out because of the short ST.
I’m also curious how Philly fans see their offseason. It looks like Philly might have a historically bad defense in 2022, but the offense should be good. Any pitcher without a 10+ K/9 rate is going to get lit up in 2022.
With how little the Rays have done, I don’t think I want to trade Yarbrough until a better replacement has been brought in. Injuries happen, and the Rays have a lot of injury prone SP. They only have 7 healthy starters on the 40 man roster, and Yarbrough trade would make it 6. Rasmussen has had 2 TJ surgeries already. McKay hasn’t thrown a ball in 2 years. Kluber has thrown 100 innings in 3 years. I don’t want some spring training signee to be the #3 or 4 if somebody gets hurt and they want Baz to start the year in AAA.
I’d trade Yarbrough if theres an upgrade and those dollars are spent elsewhere. But I’m not trading him just for the sake of trading him. I can’t believe they haven’t found an upgrade yet.
All fair points.
Trade for Montas and any number of back/end starters/bulk inning arms with experience like Yarbrough, Fleming, maybe Rasmussen or a mlb ready arm like Romero are expendable in the right deals
Man, I jinxed us with my “possible injuries to our rotation” comment. Shane Baz bout to be another Honeywell/McKay/Bitsko. RIP Shane.
Possibly the worst possible deal the Phillies could do. In pretty much everyone’s Phillies top prospect rankings, McGary is the third best, you’re giving up your third best pitching prospect for someone who is 30 and had a 5 ERA and a 4.5 FIP last year. Really bad Phillies trade.
Just because the Phillies pharm is atrocious, it doesn’t mean a bad prospect like McGary has more value than other bad prospects, just because all his team mates are bad prospects too. Prospect rankings are relative. He’d be like the 50th best prospect in Tampa Bay. He’s so bad, he’s nowhere near enough to get the Major League pitcher you are downplaying.
It’s a long shot for McGary to even make the Major Leagues.
You’re a clown. First of all the Phillies farm is probably somewhere between 20-25, so saying the farm is atrocious when it’s better then 5-10 systems is stupid. I have seen rankings of people putting him in the top 100 because of his upside, when he makes it to the majors and throws 97 with nasty stuff (what he is right now) he will have value. If he ends up being a reiliever almost every team in baseball would take a chance on someone to pitch just based on that description. His value should be somewhere in the 7’s on this website.
BA rates him as a 40. FG rates him as a 40+. Both cite relief risk. That’s why the value is where it is. If you think it should be higher, take it up with them.
There’s nothing wrong with your valuation, fangraphs, or Baseball America’s. If McGarry was in high demand, he wouldn’t have been a 5th rounder 8 months ago. This goof just doesn’t like that his team’s 7th best prospect (per fangraphs) would rank as Tampa Bay’s 28th best prospect (per fangraphs).
When he stops walking every 7th batter he faces, he might be interesting. But graveyards are littered with the bones of pitchers who couldn’t control their fastball.
LOL. Nobody has put your 2021 5th rounder in the top 100. If you’re going to lie, at least make it believable.
For God’s sake, he was their 5th pick last year. You think his 20 A ball innings has vaulted him past the 4 guys they drafted and paid before him?
Your ignorance is astounding.
Wow. I thought this trade was a complete snooze, but it sure got a heated response.
What do you expect? Your’e trading one of the best prospects in baseball for Ryan Yarbrough.
LOL. Yeah, I’m gonna disagree with you there. 😉
With the news today that Baz had a minor surgery and Patino having his arm looked at, I think there is absolutely no chance the Rays trade any of their current rotation arms. Yarbs will be a Ray on OD.