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April 25, 2022

Angels

Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Liberatore Minors LHP 23.7 19 23.7 28.4
Plesac 26 Majors SP Low 4.0 37.4 13.3 24.1 19.3 24.1 28.9

Cardinals

Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Detmers 21 Majors SP Low 6.0 37.8 8.6 29.2 23.4 29.2 35
Karinchak 25 Majors RHRP Low 5.0 27.5 9.8 17.7 13.1 17.5 21.9
Martinez Minors SS 6.3 5 6.3 7.6

Guardians

Name Age Level P1 P2 Availablility Years AFV Salary Surplus Low Median High
Adell 22 Majors OF Medium 5.0 24.7 5.7 19 15.2 19 22.8
Gorman Minors 3B 28.6 22.9 28.6 34.3
Knizner 26 Majors C Medium 4.0 1.2 0.6 0.6 0.2 0.4 0.6
3 Comments
  1. Eli Kov

    Deals suggested that address the needs of all participants have the best chance of receiving positive responses.. This is that deal..

    St Louis doesn’t want to lose Liberatore but have seen Detmers pitch well at the ML level.. this assuages that concern. Nolan Gorman being sent away is a tremendous sacrifice.. but getting a James Karinchak (now throwing/fully healthy) and a superb SS candidate puts a bit of sauve on this wound..

    Cleveland doesn’t want to see, Plesac, a member of their starting staff leave.. but realize Nolan Gorman and Plesac’s replacement from depth in their MiLB system is one step back, two steps forward… Adding Kninzer is a need based addition. Jo Adell has clearly been surpassed by Taylor Ward.. so, a change of venue to Cleveland might be exactly what he needs..

    The Angels solidify a pitching staff that is in desperate need of solidifying.. Two stud SP’s, one already in MLB and one near ML ready is their greatest need..

    Of the three teams.. only the Cardinals would be inclined to balk at this otherwise fair deal.. Thoughts?..

    • username 1001

      As always with three way trades, why do you think this would happen instead of smaller, individual deals?

      For Anaheim, why not just Detmers for Liberatore + additional value? Why would Anaheim give up one of their better starters this season for an unknown? And why would St. Louis give up on Liberatore before he has even debuted?

      And since you proposed it, if Plesac for Adell is on the table, why trade Detmers at all? Wouldn’t the Angels just make a straight trade for Plesac if Cleveland was willing and wants Adell?

      What your trade boils down to is Karinchak + Martinez for Gorman + Knizner, and with that, is plain to see this deal doesn’t work.

      The Angels and Cardinals will not just enter a complex trade scenario to satisfy Cleveland’s needs. And your justifications further cement exactly why this does not happen.

      Your proposals are usually solid GSon, but I think this one is a stretch too far.

      • Eli Kov

        The needs of all three teams are achieved.. especially the Angels new need: How to get value while also getting rid of Adell

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